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Author:  Kharille [ Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:56 am ]
Post subject:  Heraklos in bloodsword 2 - Heracles?
I always thought that Heraklos in bloodsword book 2 was Heracles. But then if you read up on heracles he had a sword and yet he preferred to use a cudgel most of the time. I am not aware of any time he owned an axe in the Emphidian mythology. Is it possible that this was some native Krarthian character?
Author:  wimlach [ Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Heraklos in bloodsword 2 - Heracles?
Kharille wrote:
I always thought that Heraklos in bloodsword book 2 was Heracles. But then if you read up on heracles he had a sword and yet he preferred to use a cudgel most of the time. I am not aware of any time he owned an axe in the Emphidian mythology. Is it possible that this was some native Krarthian character?


Probably just a mash-up of various bits of Greek myth - for example although the cliche is of Hercules with club and lionskin, his father, Zeus, is occasionally depicted carrying a spear and an unusual double headed axe.

Of course, it could just be that a magical returning axe that evokes the warrior from the videogame Gauntlet or the superhero Thor is way cooler than an enchanted returning stick that only makes playful dogs sad.
Author:  Kharille [ Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:20 pm ]
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Wonder whether a fan made interpretation of bloodsword stories for the dragwars system would work? I can see so many unexplored parts of the Battlepits being reused. Old book 6 depicted some of the marvellous things that can happen, strange scenes and encounters if I recall correctly. Sounds like ripe material for some fan made stuff. Surely a player can make up a few of his own 'Magi', banners, inbredness, as well as trapped demon encounters and scenes. Maybe we can even do a competition on 'battlepit' rooms, caverns and whatnot.


5 surviving true Magi, but surely there were many more like Magus Zyn who could trap demons and bind them to eternal service?
Author:  Starkad [ Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:43 pm ]
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5 surviving true Magi, but surely there were many more like Magus Zyn who could trap demons and bind them to eternal service?

There were no surviving True Magi from the Blasting of Spyte. Only one had a surviving heir - Magus Tor.

There is a clear suggestion that only one of the Magi managed to chain a Malgash, but that's not to say that other Magi didn't bind other, lesser demons. After all, there is now a Demonologist class available to play (see Players Handbook).

I encountered several names for Magi in the DW and Bloodsword books: Kalugen, Balhazar, Vyl, Venzor, Zyn, Uru, Horg, Laglor, Tor, Byl, Lym. These appear to be "Surname" or "House names"; as Laglor is the current Magus Tor, Aytarn the current Magus Byl, Rakov is Magus Lym and Jani is Fata Uru. There's scope for making up plenty more as needed... ;)

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Wonder whether a fan made interpretation of bloodsword stories for the dragwars system would work? I can see so many unexplored parts of the Battlepits being reused.

Why not? Sounds like a dungeoneer's dream... :D
Author:  Starkad [ Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:49 pm ]
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Probably just a mash-up of various bits of Greek myth...

Seems the most likely. Using bits of real-world myth to create a "realistic" alternative for the world of Legend that people could relate to.

I get the impression the same thing was intended for Guillarme II ("the Great King who unified Kurland"); probably a mix of Charlemagne and Otto the Great.
Author:  Damian May [ Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Heraklos in bloodsword 2 - Heracles?
Kharille wrote:
Wonder whether a fan made interpretation of bloodsword stories for the dragwars system would work? I can see so many unexplored parts of the Battlepits being reused. Old book 6 depicted some of the marvellous things that can happen, strange scenes and encounters if I recall correctly. Sounds like ripe material for some fan made stuff. Surely a player can make up a few of his own 'Magi', banners, inbredness, as well as trapped demon encounters and scenes. Maybe we can even do a competition on 'battlepit' rooms, caverns and whatnot.


5 surviving true Magi, but surely there were many more like Magus Zyn who could trap demons and bind them to eternal service?


I remember something about there being a vague plan to do it as a campaign book/books......but I think it got put on hold/didn't start for a number of reasons. I think Dave Morris wants to rewrite the last Bloodsword book sometime as it wasn't up to snuff in his eyes.
Author:  Damian May [ Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:21 pm ]
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Starkad wrote:
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5 surviving true Magi, but surely there were many more like Magus Zyn who could trap demons and bind them to eternal service?

There were no surviving True Magi from the Blasting of Spyte. Only one had a surviving heir - Magus Tor.

There is a clear suggestion that only one of the Magi managed to chain a Malgash, but that's not to say that other Magi didn't bind other, lesser demons. After all, there is now a Demonologist class available to play (see Players Handbook).

I encountered several names for Magi in the DW and Bloodsword books: Kalugen, Balhazar, Vyl, Venzor, Zyn, Uru, Horg, Laglor, Tor, Byl, Lym. These appear to be "Surname" or "House names"; as Laglor is the current Magus Tor, Aytarn the current Magus Byl, Rakov is Magus Lym and Jani is Fata Uru. There's scope for making up plenty more as needed... ;)

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Wonder whether a fan made interpretation of bloodsword stories for the dragwars system would work? I can see so many unexplored parts of the Battlepits being reused.

Why not? Sounds like a dungeoneer's dream... :D


There are a number of godlings and major demons housed or otherwise contained in the Battlepits and other places around Krarth ( theres a few expansions on them with available lore in the Wiki).

I like Fata as the female honorific in place of Magus for some reason I can't really explain.

While the Five houses all carry the names of their patron Magus, I can see a few of the surviving apprentices trying to forge their own way by setting up their own houses after the Fall of Spyte leading to a variety of minor houses with different names. And as we only know 3( ish) of the 5 original Magis names it could be any of them.

http://dragonwarriors.wikifoundry.com/page/the+Magi
Author:  Starkad [ Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Heraklos in bloodsword 2 - Heracles?
Good link - would have saved me a lot of trouble had I seen it a few months ago! :lol:

Following the link to the next one, http://dragonwarriors.wikifoundry.com/page/Demon+Gods+of+Krarth, I notice the demon Tirikelu - which is Dave Morris' name for his Tékumel game...
Author:  Damian May [ Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Heraklos in bloodsword 2 - Heracles?
Starkad wrote:
Good link - would have saved me a lot of trouble had I seen it a few months ago! :lol:

Following the link to the next one, http://dragonwarriors.wikifoundry.com/page/Demon+Gods+of+Krarth, I notice the demon Tirikelu - which is Dave Morris' name for his Tékumel game...


There are some names he likes that I've seen pop up in a few places over the years. :)
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